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This thread is about the Pagan tradition of the Wicker Man found mostly in Celtic Gaelic cultures, but also covers the brilliant British movie of the same name that happens to be my most favourite film of all time, written by Anthony Shaffer, and Directed by Robin Hardy, and staring Christopher Lee and Edward Woodward.

The Pagan tradition of the Wickerman

The Wicker man is an ancient Pagan ritual mostly seen in the British Isles and done on Beltane (Mayday the Pagan start of the light summer half of the year). Little is know about the legend and ritual involved in the burning of the huge wicker figure in the shape of a human, as the only accounts come from Julius Caesar's writings.

What is known is that the figure was a towering effigy representing to the Pagan Sun or Oak God. Many in Celtic Pagan times believed that the Sun (God) was responsible for growing their needed crops, and therefore was reasonable for giving life or taking it away, so when they had a poor crop one year they would sacrifice animals and in some cases human beings to appease the Gods to then insure a fruitful and bountiful crop the following year. Although its good to make clear that there is no real evidence that this did actually happen expect from Caesar's accounts, but it seems possible as other forms of Ancient sacrifice did exist and can be proven such as with the “bog men“ cases. However in other forms of proven ancient sacrifices, many of the people sacrificed were old, or had a terminal disease, and were said to have been treated like martyrs before their deaths, and often willingly volunteered themselves, as being old or ill they knew that they would not survive the coming harsh winter anyway (in the Samhain cases anyway). They believed that to be sacrificed was an honour as you would come back as the next seasons crops helping your children and ancestors survive.

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Above A Wicker Man as believed to be in ancient times.

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Above a modern Wicker Man held at Buster Farm in Hampshire England every Beltane. (were going to that one day Ajags, and we are both not virginal, so we shall be fine so not to worry )

As for the Wickerman structure it self, if this did indeed happen as Caesar wrote, it was most probably criminals put in the wooden structure or the willing, and then burnt to the Gods and Goddess that they (the Pagan Priests and Priestess) were trying to ask for assistance from. Animals were also used, but its believed humans were sometimes a much more powerful offering than just a chicken or pig ect.

Beltane is also strongly connected with fertility and the Celtic fertility Goddess. Beltane is a festival on the east of the Pagan festival of the year of life (which is why Easter is often connected to Eggs and Rabbits that is also near to the date of Beltane) The fertility of their fruits and harvest were important to the survival of the ancient Pagan peoples, so its not hard to imagine where their beliefs came from.

Of course modern Pagans don’t do such things today, as Paganism has advanced with time, unlike some other religions I could mention that are still killing.

Wicker man Festivals have now started up all over the UK and U.S as music festivals, where they burn a wicker man, that had some Pagan connection to them, which I think started out well and meaningful, but as usual, the big companies have seen the money making possibilities of them, and now the festivals have sold out and are corporate businesses, so have now ruined the spirit of the whole thing.

The Movie

In 1973 a movie came out called The Wicker man, now the most talked about cult movie classic of all time. It was made with little to no money, but made by people with an imagination and initiative foresight that puts modern film makers to shame. At first it did poorly because of ignorant reviews, and people high up in the movie industry doing everything in their power to make the movie fail even before it got onto the cinema screens by editing it horrendously, and destroying the only copies of some of the scene (although some believe they still exist somewhere) Why people were so against the move being release is a topic of controversial debate. The movie was released in the UK as a "art house movie" and flopped because of poor promoting, and because of the bad reviews and was considered a failure and “cheap B movie“.

Later an American movie company saw the movie and could not understand why it had got such a bad rep and reviews, they saw the movie as a movie made before its time (and today’s success proved they were right) They, under there company re-released the movie in America, and although never became huge it did much better than it did in the UK, and started to form a dedicated fan base, who have since caused the movie to become more and more popular and recognised as time has gone on, getting it the recognition it so desperately deserved.

The movies resistance and rebirth (pun indented) is quite astonishing, being all that was against it in the beginning. It is as if you cant keep a good Pagan movie down, it seems to have a supernatural vigor and charismatic appeal all of its own, and just refused to die, giving it eternal life and a place in movie heaven (or hell however you see it) forever.

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Above a scene from the movie.

I wont go into the storyline of the movie to deeply, because I don’t want to spoil it for those who have not seen it, but it basically centres around a Pagan community in Scotland around the festival of Beltane.

The soundtrack to the movie is hauntingly beautiful, Composed and sung by Paul Giovanni I recommend it to anyone with a love of spirituality or Paganism. It’s an enchanting mix of Scottish Folk and Pagan melodies sure to bring out the spirituality in most.

If you have not watched this movie, I cant promise your like it as you have to be into dark atmospheric movies with a lot of symbology in them to appreciate it, but give it a go, whatever you think of it, I guarantee it will have a lasting impression on you, and your never forget it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FdV-O8o7ok

Above The 1973 movie Trailer

A word of warning, the punch fool and movie blasphemer Nicolas Cage thought it would be a good idea to Hollywoodize the Wickerman and re-made it in 2006. It is a hideous pile of dog crap.

http://www.paranormaltavern.com/thecelticwickerman.htm
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« Reply #1 on Apr 21, 2007, 6:21pm »

That is one of my top fave movies ever it is pagan worshiping , ass slapping and a sacrifical good time!! I have that song in my head now from the pic : ) Great article and movie summery you get loads of high fives and thumbs up and gold stars.

I soooooooooo cant wait to go to Beltain fests with ya honey.

Your right the remake of it is blasphemous and Nick Cage needs a good slap for it maybe he should be burnt in the wickerman for his sins.
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« Reply #2 on Apr 22, 2007, 5:35am »


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A word of warning, the punch fool and movie blasphemer Nicolas Cage thought it would be a good idea to Hollywoodize the Wickerman and re-made it in 2006. It is a hideous pile of dog crap.


Punch fool and movie blasphemer! - Loves it! ;D

I hate when Hollywood ruin a good thing, it's as bad as when they take a good song and replace the lyrics with rap. Arrrgh!!!!

But anyway, thanks for the review Faeden! It's on my list of must see movies now :)
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« Reply #3 on Apr 22, 2007, 2:59pm »

Tell us what you thought of it when you have seen it Amphi.

I forgot to add the best quote of this movie that was not added to the earlier versions of this movie.

"I think I could turn and live with animals. They are so placid and self-contained. They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins. They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God. Not one of them kneels to another or to his own kind that lived thousands of years ago. Not one of them is respectable or unhappy, all over the earth. " Lord SummerIsle
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« Reply #4 on Apr 23, 2007, 8:39am »

The origional of this film is excellent, i'm not even going to attempt to sit through the new version. Half of whats good about the origional is the way it looks on film and i'm sure they used locals with no acting training as well, it just gives it that air of reality which i don't think the glossy new version could put across......why do Hollywood have a need to remake everything anyway? Have they no imagination to come up with anything new or is it that they have to 'americanize' everything?? (no offense meant to all you americans out there)
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« Reply #5 on Apr 23, 2007, 10:47am »

Thanks for the reply Tanith. Glad to see you also appreciate a classic. Sorry for going on about it, but i am a Wicker Man fanatic.


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Half of whats good about the origional is the way it looks on film and i'm sure they used locals with no acting training as well, it just gives it that air of reality which i don't think the glossy new version could put across......


I agree, its got a very glossy magical look to the movie that makes it have an atmosphere all of its own that makes it unique. And many of the people in it were locals, and I think did a great job considering they had never acted before and gave it an air of reality like you say.


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Money!! And because they have no imaginations of their own to come up with something original. Its the reason why they also make films based on comics and computer games also. Its why the movie industry has fallen in quality dramatically over the last 10 years, its all special effects and no acting talent or imaginative writing or directing ability, today movies are made to wow, rather than to make the viewer think. I prefer it when they concentrate more on the story lines, characters, twists and feel of the movie rather than the spectacular mindless car chases and explosions so often seen in today’s clones just to make money out of the sheep of society who line up at the cinemas like robots just like the TV commercials ordered to do because its “The summers greatest blockbuster“ as we are told.

We need less computer generated crap and pretty faces on screen to cater for the vain, and as ajags said so graciously, more sacrificial ass slapping fun.

By the way Tanith did you know Robin Hardy the director is making a follow up to The Wickerman as we speak? Its going to be called Mayday here in the UK, and in the U.S its going to be called "Cowboys for Christ" about some American evangelical preachers who come to Scotland to convert the Pagan population of a small Island, but find them selves in a very sticky situation they wish they never got themselves into. You get the picture ;D
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« Reply #6 on Apr 23, 2007, 11:15am »

I saw the original Wicker Man years ago. Wonderful film. Recently my partner got out the new one, and I gave up after twenty minutes. Pish. Some things you cannot re-make, just give it up Hollywood. ::)
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« Reply #7 on Apr 23, 2007, 9:55pm »

Yep, Eluned is right, don’t see the new wicker man, its horrifically rubbish, but if you must, make sure you see the original first as your totally spoil the surprise.
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« Reply #8 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:11pm »

I strongly object to the original post refering the the wickerman festival held in Scotland as a corporate sell out. My family have been attending this festival for years. There is a fantastic atmosphere each year..and standing on a scottish hillside chanting 'Burn Him, Burn him' with 40k fellow fesival goers at midnight cannot fail to raise the hairs on the back of you neck...
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« Reply #9 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:48pm »

Hi xcite

I am talking about the now music festival that is all about making huge amounts of money, and has lost the real Pagan meaning of the festival.

The fact all these companies have taken over to only make money, to me, is a sell out to corporate money making.

I know there are many wicker man burnings going on around the UK that are not about money, and still have the honest spirit of the event, but the most famous one now, of which I was talking about doesn't.

Give it a few years and it will be like the fake music festivals you see at Glastonbury and the Isle Of White, where its nearly 100 £ to get in and you have to pay 6 £ for a burger and 2 £ for a bottle of water.

The corporate cancer is spreading into everything it can get its greedy hands on.

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« Reply #10 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:54pm »

i havew that song thing stuck in my head now! damn it'll be there for days!
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I am talking about the now music festival that is all about making huge amounts of money, and has lost the real Pagan meaning of the festival.

The fact all these companies have taken over to only make money, to me, is a sell out to corporate money making.

I know there are many wicker man burnings going on around the UK that are not about money, and still have the honest spirit of the event, but the most famous one now, of which I was talking about doesn't.

Give it a few years and it will be like the fake music festivals you see at Glastonbury and the Isle Of White, where its nearly 100 £ to get in and you have to pay 6 £ for a burger and 2 £ for a bottle of water.

The corporate cancer is spreading into everything it can get its greedy hands on.



I do agree to a certain extent...and the WM festival has been hailed as the new Glastonbury.. the true nature of the Pagan fest has been lost, but the burning of the wicker Dude does bring a sense of unison long since lost to modern crowds. A true mix of modern and spitual. Unforftunately the meet and greet at the gate by huge Alsation sniffer dogs didn't really add the the back to nature feel.
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« Reply #12 on Feb 11, 2008, 10:57pm »

Yep which is why I would never attend.

The next one I am going to attend will be a privately organized one, with nothing more than a few ales, fun, and the burning of the man and a gathering around the fire over looking some beautiful part of nature.

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« Reply #13 on Apr 30, 2008, 4:37pm »

I first stumbled across the origional cult classic around Halloween years ago at K-Mart of all places on sale. I bought it and fell madly in love with its hauntingly reverent sound track.
Something in that music channels the spirit of our pagan ancestors love of nature.
Yes, I agree that Nick-Flick was such an insult to a supreme masterpiece of Cinema Creativity at its finest. Christopher Lee is a Genius and a master actor. No-one can duplicate the power he brings to the screen in each role. The new movie suffered greatly due to the lack of authenticity in its cast.

I'm also a huge Ingrid Pitt fan!
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« Reply #14 on May 4, 2008, 8:37am »

Joy!!! 8-)
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